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Posted by BigDork on 03-30-2005 at08:06:

Thanks! Pleased

Posted by sirjakeyjake on 03-30-2005 at16:47:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

quote:

yes...

it is All fall Down that we are talking about here even if we keep referring to it as PPOTA. Roll Eyes

we knew one of them was screwed up Tongue

Sorry, but the original PPOTA cassette my cousin and I have swapped back and forth since its release has a different song order than is listed for the 123 version.

I don't mean to sound like a pain (here come the replies)...I was really just curious.

I will get a scan of the cassette (current in Eugene with my cousin) and post it soon.

Here's the PPOTA order, via this website, from the original release:
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A Different Kind of Light
How Can You Love
It's So Sad
Falling Down a Hole
Someone New
Renaissance Man
Ping Pong Over the Abyss
Time Is Slipping Away
Denomination Blues (That's All)
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Here's the order, c/o my CD copy from this cassette:

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A Different Kind of Light
How Can You Love
Renaissance Man
Ping Pong Over the Abyss
Falling Down a Hole
Someone New
It's So Sad
Time Is Slipping Away
Denomination Blues (That's All)
-------------------

I just received visual confirmation from my cousin's wife, and they're scanning it for me, in case the naysayers say "boo". Wink

Really, I'm just curious. Sounds like it wasn't intentional.

Posted by 77 bc on 03-30-2005 at18:58:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

quote:

Originally posted by sirjakeyjake

quote:

yes...

it is All fall Down that we are talking about here even if we keep referring to it as PPOTA. Roll Eyes

we knew one of them was screwed up Tongue

Sorry, but the original PPOTA cassette my cousin and I have swapped back and forth since its release has a different song order than is listed for the 123 version.

I don't mean to sound like a pain (here come the replies)...I was really just curious.

I will get a scan of the cassette (current in Eugene with my cousin) and post it soon.

Here's the PPOTA order, via this website, from the original release:
-------------------
A Different Kind of Light
How Can You Love
It's So Sad
Falling Down a Hole
Someone New
Renaissance Man
Ping Pong Over the Abyss
Time Is Slipping Away
Denomination Blues (That's All)
-------------------

Here's the order, c/o my CD copy from this cassette:

-------------------
A Different Kind of Light
How Can You Love
Renaissance Man
Ping Pong Over the Abyss
Falling Down a Hole
Someone New
It's So Sad
Time Is Slipping Away
Denomination Blues (That's All)
-------------------

I just received visual confirmation from my cousin's wife, and they're scanning it for me, in case the naysayers say "boo". Wink

Really, I'm just curious. Sounds like it wasn't intentional.

My bet is that the cassette was sequenced like that to try and match play times, as best as possible, per side.

Just my bet, but I feel fairly confident in that one.

Posted by BigDork on 03-30-2005 at20:53:

that is strange...

since I've never had the cassette version I have nothing to compare it to.

Posted by sirjakeyjake on 03-30-2005 at21:40:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

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My bet is that the cassette was sequenced like that to try and match play times, as best as possible, per side.

Just my bet, but I feel fairly confident in that one.

THAT, my friend, is a good point. I was going down that road when his wife read to me that the cassette said "Program 1" and "Program 2" (vs. "Side 1", etc.). I forget so easily when you don't have the constraints of "30-min per side" to deal with...or arranging the order of the songs to fit not only for time constraints, but for palatability PER SIDE instead of over the entire disc. (I think of Linkin Park's releases...how odd it would be for Meteora, for instance, to have been sequenced per side of a cassette vs. the front-to-back overall feel of the whole disc listened to in one sitting.)

Good thinking to drift off to sleep to...

Posted by sirjakeyjake on 03-30-2005 at21:43:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

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Just my bet, but I feel fairly confident in that one.

That, or we have something in the "ultra-rare" category. Wink

It'll probably be like you said, though.

Posted by Doctor Love on 03-31-2005 at01:04:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

The cassette version was indeed scrambled to make the two 'sides' compatible time-wise, a common practice in those days.

Just be grateful this was never released on 8-track -- they did some really whack song orders with those!

Posted by 77 bc on 03-31-2005 at04:17:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Love
The cassette version was indeed scrambled to make the two 'sides' compatible time-wise, a common practice in those days.

Just be grateful this was never released on 8-track -- they did some really whack song orders with those!

Not to mention the pause in the song, while it switches tracks, to complete it on the next track!

Of the 8 tracks that I had, growing up, when I listen to the CD versions of them, I still have that pause in my head, where the song changed tracks!

Ahhh, the wonders of the 8-Track!

Posted by BigDork on 03-31-2005 at07:24:

gotta love that pause!!! Tongue

Posted by sirjakeyjake on 03-31-2005 at12:05:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Love
The cassette version was indeed scrambled to make the two 'sides' compatible time-wise, a common practice in those days.

Just be grateful this was never released on 8-track -- they did some really whack song orders with those!

Excellent! A definitive answer, after years of searching.

Reiterating earlier comments...I think it's interesting, having known no other version than this cassette version, that the songs sound so great in this order I'm used to, compared to what I've found out is the originally-intended order. That, of course, is perspective.

Thank you, Dr., for curing this ill. My mind (and this thread) may rest peacefully now. Wink

P.s. My dad still has a working component 8-track player. There are times where, like vinyl, I think those recordings add something to the listening experience...even as they take away a lot, compared to today.

Posted by Doctor Love on 04-01-2005 at09:30:

RE: PPOTA Song Order

P.s. My dad still has a working component 8-track player. There are times where, like vinyl, I think those recordings add something to the listening experience...even as they take away a lot, compared to today.

>>>> this comment got me to remembering how totally awesome sounding and fun my old 8-track collection was. For all its flaws, this was a valid and very enjoyable (tho often frustrating!) medium.

Now....would I like to go back to this technology today? I'll let all you pundits answer that one.

Posted by Mudpappy on 04-01-2005 at11:23:

8-track fan

I miss having songs fade out in the middle and then fading back in on another "track". That's the only way to listen to music!

My 8-Track collection (nobody asked for this, but here it is) :

Posted by phreak on 04-01-2005 at12:27:

i remember two eight tracks that definitely are imprinted in my memory...

grand funk railroad - a best of

and the best of Jim Croce

the click to the next program was definitely a part of the experience...

Cool

Posted by Mudpappy on 04-01-2005 at13:47:

When I first heard "Night On Disco Mountain" on CD, I was horrified that they didn't fade the song out until the end.

I remember having scratched vinyl that I would get used to hearing skip during certain tunes. Then, when I owned the same album on cassette or CD, I would always anticipate the skips during some of the songs and be a little bit disappointed that they weren't there anymore.

Posted by phreak on 04-01-2005 at13:49:

our brains are like that....

just like I can't hear Car's Moving In Stereo on the radio without beginning to read "All Mixed Up" as that song fades right into the outro of Moving In Stereo...

~f

Posted by Mudpappy on 04-01-2005 at14:37:

Lz

That's similar to when the classic rock radio stations don't play "Living Loving Maid" immediately after "Heartbreaker".

Posted by eugene iv on 04-01-2005 at15:03:

Red Face

Posted by phreak on 04-01-2005 at17:40:

take your boredom off the on topic side of things...

~f

Posted by RaySteele on 04-01-2005 at17:41:

RE: Lz

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Originally posted by Mudpappy
That's similar to when the classic rock radio stations don't play "Living Loving Maid" immediately after "Heartbreaker".

there u r u little maggot!! tryin 2 b the cool guy again eh? big deal. everybo dy knows who led zepplin is. YOUR NOT THAT COOL BRO!!

Mad

Posted by dennis on 04-01-2005 at22:56:

I used to have a bunch of 8-Tracks, but Patti did not like them! Shocked